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[Music] okay good afternoon and thank you everybody for joining us my name is Caroline Godkin I’m the deputy secretary for environmental policy and emergency response here at CalEPA and this is the first meeting of the California lithium ion car battery recycling advisory group I endeavor to not say that too many times this afternoon because it is quite the mouthful so thank you to everybody on the advisory group who’s joined us today and I will go ahead and take the role so Ana Maria from CalRecycle and Mohammed from DTSC Mr. Terry Adams from sa recycling yes Mr Dan Bowerson from the Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers present Mr. Mark Caffrey from Umicore I apologize if I said your name incorrectly not here Mr. Todd Coy Mr. Perry Gottesfeld yes and I apologize if I said your name incorrectly Mr. Steve Henderson from Ford Mr. George Kerchner from I apologize from the Rechargeable Battery Association Mr. Bernie Kotlier miss Jennifer Krill present.t Mr. Nick lapis
from Californians Against Waste miss Allison Linder from SCAG hi miss
Mr. Jeff Niswander Ppresent did I did I completely mess that up. it was close.
perhaps at the break I can get a primer on everyone’s names. Mr. Lou Ramaonetta
from Surplus Service. Miss Alisa Reinhardt from the California New Car Dealers
Association and Mr. Jon Wiseman from Tesla. Present. great well thank you everybody and particularly to those joining us in the audience today and anybody who’s joining us on the webcast as I said my name is Caroline Godkin and I am the deputy secretary for environmental policy and emergency response here at CalEPA and on behalf of Secretary Blumenfeld welcome to Cal EPA and thank you for joining us so some housekeeping items first the restrooms are available directly outside of this room and to the left in an in case of an emergency obviously there’s emergency exits in the back and we will go directly to Cesar Chavez park located opposite the corner of CalEPA headquarters building. I would ask that members of the advisory group when you speak if you could identify yourselves and use the microphone so that the webcast can pick up all of their comments and after each section and at the end of the meeting we will open up for public comment and for those viewing via the livestream please send your comments in the form of an email to the [email protected] and we will take a short break during the agenda because I know that everyone has other jobs and other pressing priorities so we’ll be sure to take some time so everyone to check emails and take care of business outside of the meeting. so thank you to everyone who’s here today particularly to the advisory committee members you all applied to be on this committee and we are grateful for your time and your interest in being part of this committee for the next two years. I would like to thank the UC Davis staff who are going to be supporting us in this effort going forward and I’d like to also particularly thank Mohamed Omer from DTSC and Teresa Bui who can’t join us today from CalRecycle they’ve done a huge amount of the heavy lifting in getting the meeting materials prepared and getting us ready for today’s meeting so thank you to them. as I said I am the deputy secretary for environmental Policy. under my purview is CalRecycle and DTSC so I provide policy support to the Secretary on those
two areas. it’s obviously the lithium-ion car battery recycling issues fall very much within that sphere. I was appointed by the Governor in September of this year so I’m still very new so I ask for your patience as I get up to speed and previous to that I was a deputy Secretary at the California Natural Resources Agency. So with that if we could maybe I will ask each member of the committee to introduce themselves, what your interest is here today and anything else you’d like to say so I’m going to start it that end if I may. My name is Bernie Kotlier and I’m the executive director of the California Labor Management Cooperation Committee I’m also a member of the board of NAATBATT and of Calcharge and my interest here is to advance the recycling and most effective use of our batteries and at the same time to reduce greenhouse gases and to advance our state’s energy Policies. afternoon my name is Geoff Niswander I work in the household hazardous waste industry. primarily I’m interested in seeing as much of this material reused and recycled as possible. electric vehicles are the hot new ticket these days and I think they’re only going to grow so it’s definitely a waste stream that we should be concerned about Good afternoon I’m George Kershner I’m the executive director of PRBA the Portable Rechargeable Battery Association our association has been around since 1991 which seems like a long time ago, when nickel cadmium batteries for the portable battery of choice. since that time our association has grown to include all the major manufacturers of lithium-ion cells and batteries electric Vehicles, battery recyclers, retailers Power tool manufacturers a very diverse Association that has a lot of interest in both portable batteries and these large format elected vehicle batteries. so our membership has a very keen interest in the direction California goes with this particular project so I appreciate the opportunity to participate. My name is Terry Adams and wearing two hats here I’m with SA Recycling which is a large metal recycling facility operating three Cars shredding operations and about thirty five auto dismantling and metal recycling facilities in the state I’m also a chairman of the board of Retriev technologies which is a lithium battery recycling operations with operations in Canada and Ohio. my name is Todd Coy I’m the executive vice president of KBI. We are a facility located in Southern California and specialized in the management of batteries like Terry I’m wearing a couple of different hats. I too am part of the NAATBATT group co-chair of their battery recycling Committee. also I sit on the board of directors for the California Chapter of ISRI also part of the legislative committee for that trade group this area of EV batteries of course is impactful to the state of California and we are interested to make sure that as this adoption rolls out that we are in a position as a state and also industry to manage these batteries as they come out. great my name is Jennifer Krill I’m the executive director of Earthworks. We’re an environmental organization that works to reduce the adverse impacts of extractive industries. I also wear two hats I’m the chair of the board of plug-in America another group that works a nonprofit organization Earthworks to speed the uptake of electric vehicles and has been working at that for 15 Years. I’m here because I’m very interested in the end-of-life issues and making sure that battery manufacturing has the opportunity to maximize recyclability and minimize toxicity and that the impacts that we worry about where battery materials are extracted are not repeated or reflected in what happens with recycling and very happy to be here today. Yes Perry Gottesfeld with Occupational Knowledge International. We�re a nonprofit organization based here in California focused on occupational and environmental health. I have been following the growth of lithium-ion battery as it’s gone from our pockets to our garages and recognizing the challenges now for many years and looking at the implications of this industry both in the US and abroad and certainly I think this is a great opportunity to explore some of the opportunities to look at this industry while it’s still relatively new and to look for some solutions to some of the challenges ahead. Thank you. Hi I’m Mohamed Omer I’m a hazardous substances engineer with DTSC that’s the Department of Toxic Substances Control here in California and my interest here is really to try like so many other individuals here to get ahead of what will be a very large potential waste stream and ensure that hazardous materials do not infect our Communities, our environments and our homes. Good afternoon everyone I’m Ana-Marie manager of the electronic waste recycling program with CalRecycle. CalRecycle�s interest in this advisory group is to promote an advanced reuse and recycling of EV batteries while also ensuring proper end-of-life management of these devices of this Materials. Hi good afternoon my name is Alison Linder. I currently worked at Southern California Association of Governments, we�re a transportation planning agency and we�re heavily facilitating communities installing EV charging and just trying to I guess to promote the proliferation of the EV market. Me particularly I focus on the heavy duty side which is much newer and so I see a great opportunity there to get in on the beginning as these technologies are being designed and manufactured and bring some of these cradle-to-grave concepts into that process. Thank you Yeah thank you Dan Bowerson and the director for vehicle extrication and fuels for the Auto Alliance. The Auto Alliance for those that don�t know, we�re we represent 12 light duty vehicle and truck manufacturers, about 75% of the new vehicle market as you know the automakers are continuing to invest billions of dollars in this area and the reason I’m here in part of this board is we want to make sure that these vehicles as we continue to develop them are very sustainable both from the materials that we’re using to the to the grave to the portion of recycle and reuse so thank You. Hello everyone my name is Jon Wesman. I’m representing Tesla, an electric vehicle manufacturer. I’m responsible for all of Tesla’s battery recycling programs globally, Tesla being one of the earliest electric vehicle /only electric vehicle Manufacturers. We’ve good familiarity with battery recycling issues needs and whatnot our stated goal is to reuse and get as much recycled content into our batteries for production as possible so we’re really hoping to collaborate on end-of-life policies so that we can achieve that. Good afternoon Nick lapis with Californians Against Waste we’re an environmental organization based in Sacramento working on recycling and waste reduction policy. We’ve helped set up a lot of the recycling programs in the state of California for a lot of different materials, whether it’s you know the e-waste program or thing’s like mattresses and paint and all sorts of other goodies and in that vein we want to see that these batteries get recycled but also that the full costs of recycling these batteries at the end of life is incorporated into the initial purchase price of the vehicles so it’s not left to taxpayers at the end of the day thank you thank you My name is Lou Ramondetta I’m the president of Surplus Service our company is a I don’t like to use the word recycling we’re actually a reuse company about 85% of what comes into our facility is repaired refurbished and reused we were the recipient of the GEELA award the Governor’s environmental and economic leadership award. The reason I’m interested in this is I think we’re a little bit behind the 8-ball we’re already 10 years into this so I’m a little bit frustrated that we don’t have some viable options out there from a recycling perspective so I’m very excited to see that we’re looking at this and hopefully going to very aggressively go after some alternatives within the state of California for both recycling and/or reuse of batteries great thank you so the purpose of today’s meeting as I said this is the first meeting of the advisory group that was created pursuant to AB2832 which was passed by the legislature and signed by the Governor in 2018 the core requirement of that legislation was that for this group to develop recommendations to provide to the legislature to ensure that as close to a hundred
percent as possible of lithium-ion vehicle batteries in the state are reused or recycled at the end of life in a safe and a cost-effective manner. so as you can see we have a huge range of expertise and interest on the advisory group. The legislation specified the specific members of the group and so you can see that’s reflected in the composition of the group here today. The recommendations are due to the legislature in 2022, which feels like a long way away but is two years it’s going to be a significant amount of work for this group and I certainly look forward to working with you in the next two years to create those recommendations for the Legislature.So specifically for today’s meeting we will discuss some more details on the running of this group including a presentation on the state the state’s Bagley Keene open meeting Act. We�ll provide some additional background on AB 2832 we�ll talk about the content of the final report that we’re working towards and then we will open it up for a discussion from this group on the current landscape for Lithium Ion and again there’s a huge amount of expertise represented here so I look forward to hearing that so with that are there any questions just on this introductory please? Okay well with that I would like to ask us Salwa Bojack, who come up and present on the state’s Bagley Keene open meeting act. Hello advisory group members, thank you for having me my name is Salwa Bojack and I am in a staff attorney with CalEPA and I’ll be presenting on the Bagley Keene open meeting Act. I provided each of you with a copy of the memo that I’m going to be going over and left a few copies for the public in the back. You may have seen a version of this memo before, this is an updated revised version so I recommend relying on this version and we can also send electronic copies for the members afterwards as well. So the Bagley Keene open meeting Act is a state law that requires multi-member state bodies established by statute to conduct their business in the public except for limited circumstances that like wouldn’t apply to the advisory . The Bagley Keene act represents a basic value judgment by the legislature that members of the public should have an opportunity to attend and participate in meetings of multi-member state bodies.
So some of the general requirements of the Bagley Keene open meeting act is that they’re open to the public with advanced notice and an agenda of the items that will be discussed at the meeting. A meeting includes any congregation of a majority of the members of the state body at the same time and place to hear, discuss, deliberate, upon any items that is within the subject matter jurisdiction of the body to which it Pertains. A majority is more than half of the current membership, this is known as a quorum since this body is composed of 18 Members, a quorum would be 10 and a meeting of at least 10 or more members would be subject to the Bagley Keene open meeting act. The same time and place normally means congregating within the same physical location or via teleconference or remotely or some combination of these methods but I do want to caution members to avoid meetings through non-conventional forums such as social media. So to discuss a little bit more about public notice and what that means. State bodies that are subject to the Bagley Keene open meeting act must provide 10 day notice to the Public. At least 10 days notice and an Agenda. The 10 day notice must identify the location of the meeting as well as the location of members appearing by Teleconference. The agenda identifies matters to be discussed and any discussion at an open meeting are restricted to the items identified in the agenda. so it’s essentially your roadmap as to what you’re going to talk about during the meeting. Any new topics that members want to discuss that are not on the agenda will need to be agendized for a future meeting. So to talk about attending meetings by telephone or by teleconference members may meet by audio or visual teleconference or audio and visual teleconference for the benefit
of members and for the public however if members are going to appear by teleconference they must allow the public to attend at their teleconference locations. therefore teleconference locations must be publicly noticed and they must also be accessible locations to the public such as through the ADA requirements and there are some other technical requirements such as posting your agenda your teleconference location so if members do intend to participate by teleconference, just work with staff early and we can help you with those details. Now members may also attend remotely it’s a difference in language difference in statutory language but what is said this was a new law passed this year and essentially allows members to meet remotely without actually disclosing their physical location and without meeting accessibility requirements or posting the agenda at their location and this sounds really great but there are other requirements that go along with it so special 24-hour notice to the public that you will be meeting remotely as well as providing the public with a remote conference line where they can observe or listen to the meeting remotely and there still needs to be a 10 day notice with a primary physical location where an actual quorum of the group will be meeting physically and where the public can attend and participate physically so again there are some various details about those requirements so if you wish to attend remotely you don’t have enough time to post your teleconference location in 10 days in advance and are interested in this option, contact staff and we’ll work with you on working out those details. Now I will talk briefly about serial meetings. Serial meetings do not involve an actual congregation of the majority of the members at the same time place but meeting results in a majority of the members communicating about the same matter so outside of a meeting in other words members may not use a series of communications of any kind directly or through intermediaries to discuss delivery or to take action on any item of business within the jurisdiction of the body. So one example is a series of separate telephone calls by one member to at least nine other members to discuss group business that would create the quorum discussion this is also known as hub-and-spoke communications. The person making the phone calls to all of the rest and communicating across members would be the hub of the wheel and the other members would be the spokes so something to just be aware of and to avoid. Another example is forwarding email so one person might send another person an email and that person might send it to someone else and they can see the chain of several people communicating and before you know it you might have a quorum of individuals on the same email chain so just be careful how you send emails or communicating with other members by email and I’m also going to talk about recognized meeting exceptions, where the group might congregate. So recognized meeting exceptions to majority gatherings apply if members don’t discuss group business amongst one another and this could be at a conference or similar gathering that’s open to the public on topics of general interest majority attendance and an open and noticed meeting of another government body majority attendance at a purely social or ceremonial occasion and majority attendance and an open and publicized meeting organized to address a topic of state concern by a person or organization other than the state body so in other words if you will be attending a non advisory group conference or meeting of some sort that is open to the public, topics of general interest and you’re interested in attending and you think some of your other advisory group members may be there as well and you might have a quorum there maybe ten other members or nine other members are attending just be aware that any communications amongst each other at that meeting might then become subject to the Bagley Keene Open Meetings Act so try to avoid those communications about group business at other conferences to avoid any Bagley-Keene issues. In the memo that I provided you identify links to the Act itself so that you can review any provisions that you might be interested in looking at. I also add a link to the Attorney General’s guide to the Bagley Keene act which can be very helpful to also help answer any questions you might have This was also I think electronically distributed to you at some point as well so and then finally the last resource is that legal staff me or someone else that CalEPA are available as needed if you have any questions or about any of what was discussed or the Bagley Keene act so if you have any questions I’d be happy to take them now as well great thank you so do we have any questions from the committee on this? Everyone’s stunned. Thank you. I would just say that Salwa is
a fantastic resource and has been incredibly generous with her time and in getting this set up so as questions come up if you’re uncertain of something if you have a question on making sure that you stay within the right side of the act please just feel free to reach out to ask the questions it’s always I found better to ask the questions to make sure that we’re complying with the act so thank you thank you. so Who should we reach out to how do we get in contact with you? In the memo that I provided if you look at the last page it’ll have my Name, my phone number, and my email address so please feel free to reach out. if you have any questions better to take them on ahead of time so thank you thank you any other questions? Great. Okay so with that, let’s move on to the the next item on the agenda which is a discussion of the roles, expectations and procedural questions and I’m going to hand over to Mohammed Omer from DTSC to walk through that. Thank You deputy secretary Godkin and thank you as well to Salwa I know you only had one question up here but I’m sure many more will come up so just be aware of that and hello everyone in attendance today so my name is Mohammad Omer I’m a hazardous substances engineer in the policy development unit at the Department
of Substances Control here in California in addition to you know as I said in my introduction hopefully bringing to bear our institutional and departmental knowledge about hazardous waste management as it relates to batteries. I also really have the privilege of being the facilitator for our meetings so I’m gonna talk about my role as well as then the chair�s role and then kind of roles and expectations and then roles and expectations for you know just all of us up here as well as people in attendance. So the facilitator is someone who really enables the groups and organizations to work more effectively so I’m gonna my role is to try to contribute structure and process to our interactions with each other up here. In this way we will be able to function a high level and to make high-quality decisions as we all stated today and introductions our decisions do have some you know very serious weight moving forward with such an important issue so that is important I’m gonna try to really encourage full participation in discussions and promote mutual understanding among all of our group members. You know again in every group
there are people who are you know more outspoken and you know some people who are quieter so my goal is to try to really make sure that everyone gets a say. Also you know achieving consensus and disagreements or issues that may arise will also be a task of mine so hopefully making sure that of course as disagreements occur that they do not really derail our work and also distracting actions and behavior is going to be you know limited that’s a role of mine as well so if there are you know hopefully this never happens but if there are kind of issues in the audience or up here on the dais for whatever reason we’ll put a stop to that and finally something that’s very important and that Salwa touched on is that we have to follow an agreed-upon agenda that will have been publicly noticed and keeping a clear record and that falls kind of under my purview so a record will really be maintained in a couple of ways so we are recording our meeting and all of our subsequent meetings including this one will be made available online and detailed meeting minutes will be taken, reviewed, and posted online for about what perusal as well so today we have Emily from CalRecycle who is graciously taken on the role of taking meeting minutes for us and in the future our meeting minutes will be conducted by our friends from UC Davis who are sitting over there thank you very much in advance and these meeting minutes will be made available to everyone up here and before they get posted online something that I will do is to send the draft to everybody to ensure that what is written jives with our mutual recollection of what is said and then that will be posted online. So the chair�s role is different from that of the facilitator a little different but there is some overlap so the chair will start our meetings on time and ensure that our work kind of conforms to our pre-existing and approved agenda and this agenda is to be sent again to the group members in advance of each meeting The chair will then also close our meetings on time as well and summarize and note our achievements at the end of every meeting and finally the chair will really serve as the facility authority behind the facilitator so again this includes tasks of focusing our discussion ensuring, that we are on track to complete our tasks, encouraging and maintaining decorum, I don’t foresee that being a problem, but that is a role, and also ensuring that all of our public interface is really conducted in a very respectful and orderly fashion. Expectations
for all of us are that we would arrive on time, we’d be prepared to discuss the meeting agenda so we’ll have read the agenda, read the background material ahead of time, that we will try and stay for the duration of the meeting of course you know emergencies to occur but you know that is the expectation. Our cell phones busy as we all are we’ll be on silent I’m going to minimize distractions and keep our commitments once made so when we say we’ll attend that we try our best to attend meetings and so on and these expectations also apply to members of the public who choose to attend our meetings as well so you know we understand that not everyone can stay for a four-hour meeting but if you’re gonna leave to do so silently and respectfully and in addition to our procedures during the meetings we will also have a procedural workflow in between meetings to ensure that you know all the advisory group members are kept aware of things that are going on as well as the public and so that workflow will generally involve, I’m going to pull it out actually, just sending out meeting minutes ahead of time, ensuring that topics for discussion are brought up by the Advisory Group members so that we have an agenda ready to go, ensuring that a quorum is available for each of our meeting dates which will also involve discussion of meeting dates and making sure that people can attend them, coordinating our background material and research topics with UC Davis and they’ll be doing a lot of that work for Us, publicly noticing our events and holding these meetings so that’s that as far as roles expectations and kind of our procedures. Are there any questions from anyone up here on the dais? okay are there any questions from the public in attendance and Audrey are there any questions from the email? okay and I just like to remind folks watching from home or wherever you are that if you have any questions at any time to please send them to [email protected] so now I’m going to discuss the bill itself a little more and as well as kind of the recycling landscape that we have and our Mission. So Assembly Bill 2832 was enacted last fall September 2018 to address rising concerns regarding lithium-ion batteries and the eventual waste stream that they have already begun presenting and will present within the state. Recent estimates suggest that there are you know anywhere between or about four hundred thousand, five hundred thousand electric vehicles in California and that number rises faster and faster every year. There’s been about a 15 percent growth in electric vehicle adoption in this year as compared to last year in the state of California so you know regardless of where the data comes from or you know where your stance is, one thing is very clear and you know is that California is leading the way in EV adoption and the responsible stewardship of lithium-ion batteries in these vehicles will be absolutely critical from cradle to grave so A B 2832 required the Secretary of CalEPA to convene this advisory group and it is to meet at least quarterly between now and April 1st 2022 in order to provide policy recommendations that will hopefully ensure that is close to 100% as possible lithium-ion batteries in electric vehicles are reused or recycled at their end-of-life in a safe and cost-effective Manner. So as Caroline mentioned and as you all heard from the introductions this advisory group is composed of a very diverse group of individuals who are all bringing a great deal of expertise and you know background and differing interests when it comes to electric vehicles and electric vehicle Batteries. so beyond the state regulators so Cal EPA is represented by Caroline, DTSC represented by myself and CalRecycle represented by Ana Maria and then in the future by Teresa Bui we are really lucky to have individuals from vehicle Manufacturers, organizations that represent them, electronic waste Recyclers, automobile dismantlers, environmental organizations, representatives energy storage industry and so on and so forth and in addition we will be consulting with universities and institutions that conduct research into this area as well. Now our policy recommendations are really going to reflect the entire lifecycle considerations so again cradle to grave for these batteries and this includes but it really is not limited to kind of opportunities and or barriers to the reuse of these batteries as energy storage for example after removal from a vehicle best management considerations for those batteries at the end of life and also just the overall effect of different management practices on the environment and we’ll also be considering you know in-state and out-of-state options for battery Recycling. So as part of the preparation for this meeting, background reading materials are distributed and made available for everyone here today and this material introduced several topics so there’s aan overview of battery technologies recycling methodologies, some reuse cases and current recycling regulatory landscape worldwide so not just California to the United States but also Europe, Japan, Australia, and so on. At this time I’m going to open up the panel for discussion regarding the bill battery technology recycling methodology reuse global regulations and again as well as admission so the mission again is where to provide these policy recommendations that will again attempt to ensure that we recycle as much as possible, reuse or recycle lithium ion batteries in a safe and cost-effective manner so I’d like to open this up now to all of you. Yeah, Dan Bowerson from Auto Alliance just questioned obviously by April of 2022 is when we make the recommendations is there any expectation of updates to the legislature before That? That’s a great question and probably appropriate I’m not sure if anybody from Senator Dahle’s office is with us here today but I think that is a great idea that we should be doing that in the interim thank you. And one comment I’d like to make is for everyone up here as well as people in the audience when you have a question or a comment please state your name and your organization as well thank you. Perry Gottesfeld, Occupational Knowledge International. My question is regarding that definition of motor vehicle and the legislation. I was trying to clarify if that was limited to standard cars or if that would include things like two wheelers and scooters and the like that are motorized thank You. That is a great question I actually in the reading of the bill I’m not sure that they really clarified that but I think that there is �so the bill defines motor vehicle as the same definition of section 4 1 5 of the Vehicle Code and for anybody that is faster at typing and I am to pull up that reference to the vehicle code or we could get back answer that after the break. Thanks, any other? Caroline Godkin,
CalEPA, do you want to talk about the role of UC Davis and whattheir functions gonna be? Certainly so UC Davis has entered into an interagency agreement with CalEPA, CalRecycle and DTSC and they will be providing us with technical support in writing the report so this includes, they’ll be taking meeting minutes for us, they’ll be preparing background material and doing research on items for future agendas that we will decide on collectively so if we decide on a certain topic for you know next meetings agenda they will do research on that for us and prepare the background material and then again as well when we are putting together the final report they will be assisting with that as well. Did I get that right? Did I miss anything? No? Good perfect there’s a thumbs up being made so good. I pulled up the definition from the Vehicle Code, sorry Nick Lapis with Californians Against Waste, the definition is a motor vehicle is a vehicle that is self-propelled so it would include all those the only exception is wheelchairs and other mobility devices. Great. Thank You Nick. So I guess we’re dealing with more than just four wheeled cars all right there been any questions from the Email? any questions from the audience Here? okay so we can move forward then to discussing kind of the contents of the eventual report so as we know the mission of this Advisory Group is that after two and a half years of meetings and research and discussion is that we will produce policy recommendations that will again and this is gonna sound like a broken record but will help to guide the legislature in creating laws and policies that will aim to ensure that as close to 100% as possible of these lithium-ion batteries that are in electric vehicles will be reused and recycled at their end-of-life in a safe and cost-effective manner so all of our meetings that we’re gonna hold and the agenda items that we discuss must obviously encompass a vast set of topics and these aspects of battery production Use, reuse, recycling, and eventual Disposal. Some examples of items that we will get into in the report may include you know a discussion of the battery Technology, recycling methodologies, kind of the ones in existence as well as perhaps future ones that may arise as we move forward in our meetings, the global supply chain for battery components and materials includes minerals and you know valuable raw materials the environmental impact of battery production and disposal, ways in which batteries may function as part of cleaner energy grids as well as beneficial framework for how the public and private sectors may collaborate with each other. This is by no means an exhaustive list at all and these topics and many many more will need to be addressed in the report so again we are very lucky to be able to draw upon the expertise of this advisory Group all of its members as well as universities and research institutions in developing the report and so I’m going to open the panel up now for discussion on these ideas or other ideas for items that you all may believe to be relevant to our work not just today and also to future meetings and deliverables that may need to be discussed. You’re a very quiet group so I perhaps I’m going to I don’t try to pick on people in meetings but perhaps if you were to list out the ideal contents for you in this report or the ones section that you would wish to see in this report what would it be? And how about let’s go down the line so let’s start with Lou over there and come forward to the right. If I understand you correctly you’re asking what recommendations we make for future agenda items is that? No so it would be for example if we’re writing up the report today what is one topic that you think must be addressed for example. So obviously we’ve got to look at the options for reuse of the batteries. We’ve got to look for options of potential recycling I think hazmat is going to be a huge issue with regards to how we manage all of the contaminants associated with Lithium
ion batteries especially within the state of California because that’s a big issue so those would be three big agenda items that I think we need to focus on I’m concerned you know two, two and a half years is not a long time to address what we have to address. This is a rather daunting subject and is there any if we�re
not able to come up with a recommendation within that time to the legislature then what happens or is that a mandatory requirement that we have to Do? It is certainly a goal to meet that deadline of the recommendations to the legislature as you say it is a huge task and even in the issues that you identified that’s a that’s a significant workload for this group even in two years you know and I would say that what we should do throughout the route the committee’s work is to identify where we can make policy recommendations or where the policy recommendation is this needs further research further resourcing and to create the picture for the legislature on how that they should move forward in looking at this in this area moving forward if it answers your question okay so this is a Bernie Kotlier from the labor-management cooperation committee so my concerns and our concerns as an industry I believe have to do not only with recycling but as the legislation points out reuse second use maybe even third use and these issues are very much interrelated with production of greenhouse gases release of toxic materials and a lot of ancillary issues that we need to be concerned about and it’s my interest and I believe the interest of the organizations that I represent to maximize the reuse second use and ability to extend the life of these Batteries. First of all they create considerable greenhouse gases when they’re manufactured. They use rare earth materials some of which are not only toxic but are produced in very unfortunate circumstances around the world so to the extent that we can minimize the production of batteries by using them to their full capacity including second and maybe even third use we are not only addressing the recycling issue ultimately but we’re addressing greenhouse gas issues and other critical issues so I know that issue is fraught because I’m aware through NAATBATT and our organization that automakers are very concerned about the liability there’s also the question of UL listing or listing by testing agencies and I think it’s going to be a challenge to address those issues but there are critical ones that we must Address. thank you Jeff Niswander, I work in household hazardous waste field one of the concerns that I have is potentially some of this material crossing over into household waste streams where we do see lithium-ion batteries that come out of everyday products that people buy off the shelves leaving their pantries and eventually when they reach end-of-life they come and drop them off at our Facilities. My understanding of it is that the lithium-ion batteries and automobiles are just slightly larger capacity than your typical say cell phone battery and they’re strung into series in parallel so that you have a greater storage capacity so that you can increase the vehicle miles traveled so if the only thing holding these particularly lithium ion batteries is the definition that they’re coming from a motor vehicle and a motor vehicle is just something that is self propelled what is, is their protection to the ratepayers that pay into these household hazardous waste facilities from shouldering the burden when they get downsized or clipped up into smaller Sizes? Thank you Jeff so George Kershner with PRBAthe Rechargeable Battery Association I think for this group I think for the legislators of legislators I think we’d be doing everybody a big favor by narrowing the scope of this when I heard the definition of what a vehicle is I’m thinking these scooters and skateboards and that’s something that’s self-propelled I was under the impression and we were focusing on the four-wheel electric vehicles that we all know and love right so I think we’d be doing all ours everybody a favor by narrowing the scope of this of this advisory group recommending to the legislature that they do that and also particularly important when we get into developing our report to the legislature helping them define who are their producersof these batteries because ultimately when it comes to product stewardship and recycling and such it gets a little fuzzy as to who that producer is actually is and we’re talking about secondary use and third use and so forth I think that’s going to be very complex so I think we’d be doing again the state a favor as well as the legislature if they go back and they’re going to revisit this and pass new legislation by helping them define those terms before they put pen to paper but I think that would be a very critical part of this. Thank You. Terry Adams with SA recycling so a couple thoughts come to mind that need to be dealt with one is the the safety aspect of removing vehicles from batteries going from 12 volt systems to systems running in the you know three hundred to eight hundred volt range requires again some extreme safety issues that need to be dealt with that aren’t normally dealt with in the auto dismantling cycle. The cost of recycling as the you know the intrinsic value of batteries are driven down you know somebody needs to be able to be responsible for for those costs as they as the recycling cost may exceed the value of the battery and you know when when batteries are in cars it’s easy to trace back to you know an ownership either of that car whether it goes back to the manufacturer or the you know the owner of that car but when you go into a second life scenario it breaks that chain and and now you have you know batteries that that have maybe no no responsible party from from the original owner of those batteries so I think that needs to be dealt with at some point. Thank You Terry. hi Todd Coy with KDI I agree with the gentleman at the end that two and a half years is not a long time to take on the task that is in front of me so through agreement with mMr. Kretchner I also think that there should be a scope not a limitation but a focus perhaps because the world of mobility is a fairly large one and I think it’s important that we don’t suffer from project creep as it as it says and take on every takes on Everything. That also being said that you know very well maybe that because the dynamic of the market is changing and and that the report may just end up being hey look there’s still an evolutionary circumstance that is occurring now in the state of California and it may be that the the burden isn’t necessarily to make recommendations on legislation but to make the right recommendations moving forward kind of that being said, there is also some you know other extraneous regulations that impact especially when you look at activities within the state how it may impact whether or not it’s recycling in the state of California or other activities in the state of California that may be precluded because of other regular other regulations that are currently in existence such as hazardous waste treatment as it pertains to recycling so I think it’s important to note as we as we move forward and address various issues that are facing the industry that it’s not done in I want to say a vacuum or a bubble but that there are other influencing factors that impact second use whether or not that is UN testing criteria for battery safety and as you take apart batteries and put them back together so there’s a wide range of areas of impact virtually every topic that may be addressed in in this committee thank you Thank You Todd. Jennifer Krill Earthworks and Plug-in America My interests are in kind of three categories – producer responsibilities both now at the product design level. I mean considering half a million electric vehicles today is a lot I mean in two years doesn’t seem like a lot of time but on the other hand a half a million out of 15 million we’re also kind of at the beginning of an industry and we can encourage design so that recyclability can be maximized. Material recovery maximization so as to minimize the impacts that could be quite adverse from mining and manufacturing and then third to minimize toxicity to ensure protection for workers and communities. those are my interests. Thank You. Perry Gottesfeld Occupational Knowledge International. One one thing I see a need for already from this early discussion would be the need for some definitions. I think you know we normally think of recycling and we think of taking a newspaper and making pulp out of that and making a new paper product out of that and when we talk about lithium-ion batteries I don’t think we’re quite there yet and we’ve also heard discussion about what might be called refurbishment or reuse and I think we need to all be clear on how we want to go forward and use those terms and be clear from the start that is our Intent. Also I think it’s very important that we look at both the smaller vehicles as well as the larger vehicles ultimately the use of those might surpass the waste stream for larger vehicles if we start thinking about they may have a shorter lifespan their batteries might be you know subject to more abuse and so and we might see cheaper batteries used for those lesser products so I think we need to focus on all such Batteries. I do think that we do need to also consider various chemistry’s for lithium-ion batteries because we know they’re not all alike and they all have implications in terms of end of life and certainly we should look at the producer responsibilities and both how that would transpire and looking at other models that have been in use for other kinds of legislation here in California and elsewhere and one suggestion might be to bring in some experts who’ve done a lot of work on this issue and I know there’s a group and I think it’s Argonne National Laboratories that’s looked at this issue and it might be good to get them on early on to assess where we’re at with recycling today and to use that to further our discussions going forward thank you. Thank You Perry. Ana-Maria Stoian
Chu CalRecycle I’m particularly interested in exploring policy options that might be financial mechanism incentives various producer responsibility models or take-back schemes theat are aimed at ensuring robust collection and processing infrastructure in California so that consumer have convenient places to discard they’re old batteries EV batteries and also as it has been mentioned before I think it’s critical to have a holistic approach looking not only at the end of life but also at the product design. thank you Ana Maria. Allison Linder, I I think my interest would be in kind of two general areas one would be I guess the design and manufacturing and thinking of ways to create batteries that are a minimal impact in their design as far as use of extractive materials looking for opportunities for interchangeability of parts reuse of parts may be some type of modular design or some kind of across-the-board standardization that increases the opportunity for changing out components and of course providing consumers more options you know you don’t want to have to buy one type of thing and only be restricted to that system but some kind of standardization or like like Ana-Marie said holistic approach to the design and also I guess looking into some of the policy levers how can we encourage this you know what are the barriers to recycling and I guess also I would just say by recycling I I hope that the committee would expand the definition to include all means of reuse I know there’s a lot of other you know I don’t think we need to go strictly to that let’s grind it up and into pulp you know we want to think of how can we use this existing product in other ways most effectively and I guess thinking about in terms of the policy how can this provide a great opportunity for economic development within California so you know kind of making sure we have the expertise to do this type of battery reuse and recycling within the state. Looking into markets for reuse and the pricing and also I guess ensuring that California is leading the way not just within the state but nationally you know California has a history of being progressive and forward-thinking about the environmental policies so whatever we I guess this kind of goes back to my earlier comment about standardization but the kind of policy recommendations we create here should be expandable and scalable beyond California. Thank you. Dan Bowerson with the Auto Alliance so as was just mentioned looking at reuse because there’s a tremendous amount of value in the battery before it actually gets recycled and to that point how we follow the liability and chain-of-custody once that battery comes out of a vehicle obviously the the auto manufacturer at that point would not understand where that battery is going to be used and there’d have to be some sort of certification or something before that battery could go into power distribution or whatever that may be so how do you follow that in second use and then third and eventually to recycle. I think Lou mentioned transportation issues. I think that’s a big thing that we should look at as well you know defining these batteries depending on what state there is hazmat or whatever they may be potentially adds cost to the recycling portion of it that we need to make sure we’re taking into account and as was also just mentioned obviously this group is focused on California but policies start in California and then kind of spread so having an opportunity to develop these they could be adopted throughout the nation and other states should certainly be in our purview. Thank you Dan. This is Jon Weisman from Tesla I agree with the most of the proposals for different sections in a potential report one that I would add is really on how would we incentivize battery recycling development in California. I really like the background information that was sent out for this meeting but one of the barriers that’s listed says recycling is not cost feasible at scale. I’d like to challenge that. I think that if you do really develop efficient battery reclamation technology and I’m talking about you know the actual metals reclamation not necessarily the reuse if you optimize the recovery of all materials not just nickel and cobalt but also aluminum, copper, steel and do that efficiently and at scale you know that it can be cost-effective and that’s really what’s going to promote really high recycling rates as if the batteries can be recycled from metals reclamation profitably if it’s if it’s cost prohibitive then we’re really fighting an uphill battle. If you were to try to set up a battery recycling plant in California today, it would be very difficult and the technology doesn’t necessarily exist to do it profitably. So I think we should really look at you know do we want battery recycling to take place in California and if so what would be required to do so and how can we minimize some of those barriers as well. Thank you John. I’m hoping we as a result of this process come forward with a pretty solid legislative proposal for both producer responsibility for these batteries and any complimentary policy changes that we need.Having proposed many different bills over the years on producer responsibility for various products this is the first time that I can think of that industry has come in and said well can we please study this and everyone said ok and if we sort of then in two years don’t have a solution I think it will be wasted time and if we can come together with a comprehensive proposal and there are a lot of different ways we could handle this
whether it’s you know the e-waste model, the lead acid battery Model, there many other models as well and so I’m hoping we’ll be able to introduce a bill day after the reports Done. Thank You Nick. So thank you everyone for those comments I’m just gonna furiously taking notes in it and it seems like the for the report there’s kind of a couple of big buckets that we’re looking at first of all is the definitional piece you know what is it we’re talking about you know what do we mean by recycling, second use and we need to be very clear on those issues as we go forward and you know who is the producer that we’re talking about for these materials, what does that look like and then it seemed that many people are talking about producer responsibilities both from the aspect of if we are looking at a producer responsibility Model, what does that mean for liability ? who you know what does it mean if we’re looking to reuse who is responsible there, what does that model look like and then the third piece is around what are the economic Incentives, the development of recycling infrastructure and obviously that’s a huge issue across many it’s it’s not just for this group but it’s its many Recycling, reuse, second use, issues how do we look at that so it seems that those are going to be the three kind of themes that just kind of came out from everyone’s presentations and obviously this is not the first time we will talk about this but there’s certainly food for thought on what we might be driving towards and working towards and again I’m very conscious that two years is really not a very long time to do all of this work so and with that was anybody any members of the public have any questions or comments on this topic and do we have any emailed questions? no, okay. So with that we are putting very well on time despite that clock it is actually at 10 past 2:00 so so let’s go ahead and take a break and if we can get back here promptly at 2:40 because I can do math on the fly and yeah and there’s if there is a small cafeteria downstairs where anybody wants to get a drink or anything else thank you. [Music] great thank you everyone it’s a very punctual which is appreciated so we’re gonna move on to item number seven on the report and I’m gonna just seed some thought for thei committee members on things to talk about so obviously we just had a discussion on the what the report contents would look like we’re obviously going to keep coming back to that in the coming months and over the course of the two years and now we’re just like before I hand over to Mohammed just to kind of give some poise some questions to you so in for future meetings are there any particular researchers that you would recommend we bring in to hear from, any particular topics that we should bring in folks to talk about? is there anywhere where it would be good to visit and there will be constraints on visits as obviously this is a Bagley-Keene body might I have a generally pretty fixed rule that you don’t get to volunteer somebody else’s time so if there is something that you can control or that you think you could help to arrange and also then just how you would like the discussions to be structured outside of those two issues if there’s anything else that you think we should be looking at so I’m gonna hand over to Mohammed for this yeah so this is just an open forum really and I’m just going to allow for you know members of the advisory group here as well as folks in the audience and focus on doing online like we said or like Caroline said to to just bring up topics that have not been brought up before site visits prominent you know or not so prominent researchers or institutions or anything like that that might be worth inviting to speak or provide material for us I mean sort of site visits elsewhere I know a lot of individuals here from industries in which to have facilities that directly deal with you know EV batteries and if it might be pertinent for members of the committee to have their to have a meeting there to also see what is on the ground as well it’s all open this up now. So I’d be interested in, This is Lou Romendetta
with Surplus Service, I’d be interested in learning more about battery from what I understand from these batteries they have about an 80% or they have about a 10 year, 8 to 10 Year, capacity and then once they’re depleted they’re not really depleted there’s still about 80% of life left in the battery, so I’d be interested in maybe hearing from an expert or somebody you can speak to is there any options out there that might be viable to extending the life of the battery and/or allowing the batter to be used below that 80% percentage because that would obviously extend out the battery life as well as extending out or allowing you know more more charge to be used off of the battery so I’d be interested in that the other thing I’d be interested in is someone who can talk to us about chemistry and breakdown of the batteries from a hazmat perspective and from a materials perspective and what what are gonna be the viable options once a battery is broken down because this is all going to come down to some sort of an economic model and whether it’s economically feasible to actually recycle these batteries and unless we understand whether that is a viable option and you know what’s going to come out and if there’s any value associated with it it’s going to be very difficult to make a decision from an advisory perspective.Great thank you, and sorry did you mention for your first question did you have a recommendation of who that might be? I do not, no. But perhaps some of the other committee members or some of our friends from UC Davis have recommendations on that perhaps they could speak to that right now or at a later time.Is that something well I already mentioned earlier that it might be good to involve the group from Argonne National Laboratories that’s done a lot of research in this arena and particularly on the recycling feasibility aspects for various lithium-ion chemistry’s and I think the other place that might be useful to look are what other models exist for life cycle regulation if you will or produce a responsibility regulation for lithium-ion batteries and other jurisdictions like Europe and how do those operate and to look at possible models that might be out there outside of lithium-ion battery recycling. Dan Bowersons Auto alliance, I agree I think Argon would be a great one in conjunction with or even maybe instead Department of Energy who’s doing a lot of the a lot of funding for Argonne the resale Center and also doing the battery cycling prize and a lot of funding going into this area not just on the recycling but also looking at the chemistry of the battery so you might be able to get them to come in and kind of answer a few of their questions. And is that could I Follow up with you, maybe you can set up a contact thank you. Anyone in the audience has anything to say or have we gotten any further emails? I think there was one email though. Sorry can you speak up ? Just a little bit more question from Daryl de la Cruz, an electric vehicle Enthusiast, his question is seems like we need an advisory to the board that has a history of industrial scale experience with the mechanics of refurbishing and dismantling all forms of batteries and the costs perhaps interstate battery Johnson Controls and also do not forget to include flying transportation batteries as a side note with scooters. Thank you. Any of this jumped. Yeah yeah I would just say it would really be good to get an academic view on battery degradation and the mechanics behind battery Degradation. There’s a lot of talk about secondary use for batteries which well sounds really good in terms of extending usable life based on the research done at Tesla there’s a phenomenon where there’s like nonlinear degradation of a battery so once you get beyond like 50 percent to the usable life, the battery degrades much more quickly and so you could be talking about you know secondary life for utilities storage and whatnot but you could have like a potentially very short life battery so I would recommend you know Tesla has a lot of research I don’t necessarily know that we have the capacity to you know commit one of our battery engineers but you know some sort of academic lab that understands battery degradation very well and I can look into this, ask our battery researchers, but I think we really need to understand the fundamentals of degradation of the lithium-ion battery.Thank you John and then something Caroline mentioned was also the possibility of other venues that you know under Bagley-Keene we could meet at does anyone have any ideas that would also be you know feasible as in driving distance perhaps of Sacramento or something to that effect. This is Jon from Tesla I think it would be worth visiting a battery recycler, an actual lithium-ion battery recycler. I don’t know of any within driving distance of here but we could also maybe watch some videos or whatnot. The other another type of facility that I recommend visiting is like an auto Recycler. I would anticipate that a lot of electric vehicles will end up going to some sort of auto recycler end-of-life so seeing what is actually happening with those EV batteries or even hybrid batteries would be a good example today and to even discuss with those auto recyclers you know what they’re seeing in the field and what they think might be workable so hopefully there might be an auto recycler type of junkyard in the Vicinity.Tthank you. So, I can certainly speak to the auto recycling side of it and car shredding you know business there there are two shredders that here in Northern California. The shredders we have are all in Southern California so that probably going to be way outside your your driving range but certainly could probably be arranged but you know one thing anything is important for some point we you know the group has to get handle on in terms of you know what is what is you know the world of recycling a lithium ion batteries what what can be done what are what are you know what is economically feasible and like most things you know the you can recycle hundred percent of a battery if you want is just a cost associated you know with it and so you know understanding you know what can and can’t be done at this point in time and what is as well as what is currently being done in terms of the recovery of you know materials like lithium and cobalt and nickel and then could be helpful for the group to understand the current state. Thank You Terry. Bernie Kotllier with the labor-management cooperation committee so in terms of expertise in addition to Argonne that was mentioned the National Renewable Energy Laboratory in Colorado has DOEfunded research that’s ongoing on the second use of batteries and they have a testbed partnership with UC San Diego. Thank You Bernie. I believe some of the folks here may know better but I believe in service steel does a significant amount of recycling we have a relationship with them so if it was of interest I could try to talk with them and see if they might be ammenableto having us come in to tour one of their facilities and see what they do from a shredding perspective. Thanks Lou. I think
as far as other background information maybe an understanding of what other or how this issue has been handled and other products that use similar Components. Thank you Alison so it sounds like there is certainly an interest from the group been having some foundational presentations for our early meetings around it’s almost speaking to the foundational definitions but then also the the discussion of what does it look like right now who is doing what, what are the what are the basic chemistry aspects of this and what are other jurisdictions doing and that’s certainly something that we can can look into getting onto the agenda. I would say I think I’m certainly open to going beyond driving distance of Sacramento and as long as you know as as we move to getting the the calendar mapped out so we all have plenty of time to plan travel and to work within everybody’s constraints of life to try and see if we can get out of Sacramento just a little bit and again if you have any suggestions or any contacts that would be great that we can start to follow up with to get some presentations lined up for our work next year that would be really great. Perry Gottesfeld just to follow up our representative from Tesla’s suggestions on field trips I since we’re looking at the life cycle of the lithium ion battery might be interesting to see the manufacturing facility in Nevada that Tesla has. This is Jon from Tesla I can’t make any commitments but you know actually some of the members from the DTSC and CalRecycle have visited but we’ll see what we can do. Thank you, that will require a little bit more finessing from the state side for out-of-state travel but thank you I appreciate that but again with enough advance notice we can sell you about that. Okay thank you all at this point oh yes UC Davis. Let me there are some mics over there. All right, we just wanted to suggest there’s a repurpose lab at UC Davis where electric vehicle retired batteries are being repurposed for Second Life uses that might be a good local visit to do and we’d be happy to facilitate connections with National Labs and even with the UCSD testbed as well if that helps thank you. At this time we’re really just going to begin addressing questions from the public who’ve joined us today so this is not only everyone sitting here but also those who are watching via our livestream and again if you are watching via livestream please send your questions in the form of an email along with your name and if you are representing an organization than the name of that organization – [email protected] .CA.gov and one thing I would like to kind of emphasize is that the advisory group cannot make decisions on items that were not already on the agenda but we may decide to incorporate some of those items for future meetings. I’m going to walk down and get a microphone and you know if anyone has questions please raise your hand and not just questions but also comments or even just what brought you here today. Thank you just a quick show of hands just who might have comments or questions or thank you. Hi this is a Michael with the California Energy Commission. Michael Watford, just a comment I want to suggest that any policy recommendations that this group would make would also consider disadvantaged communities and low-income communities in California. Much of the work being done at the California Energy Commission and other agencies in the state specifically in the transportation electrification sector is going to have a huge impact on these types of communities and EV battery recycling is no exception. Whether we’re talking talking about second use applications, sustainable manufacturing processes, or optimized recycling and reclamation methodologies there’s a great economic opportunity for communities of all sizes and demographics in California. Thank you. So as Mohammed’s make it his way back up so we’re next now gonna look at the tentative agenda for the tentative meeting dates for next year. Our goal is to get these locked in so we can all plan our calendars around I know many of you have traveled to be here today and again just keep in mind if you know there is a site a host that’s not here how that might fit into the agenda for next year. Great so you know I’ve spoken to a lot of you up here about kind of the tentative meeting dates for 2020 and so I’ll just as a recap, we really have to we have to meet at least quarterly until April 1st 2022 as step as stipulated in the bill that is AB 2032 but you know a lot of you have flown to be here today a lot of you have made sacrifices to come out we really appreciate that and so we’d like to ensure as Caroline said that meeting dates and times are planned and finalized and also publicly notice so people can attend well in advance so there are four tentatively planned meetings for 2020 and those dates are as Follows: so Monday January 27th 2020, Monday April 20th 2020, Monday July 20th notice that I said Monday a lot that date is not set in stone by any means it’s just a consideration of what might be most you know convenient for you all as far as travel we also recognize that not everyone plans their calendars out a full year in advance but at least it is necessary to provide these dates ahead of time so that you can plan around them accordingly so also as far as future agenda items which will includes many of the topics that we have brought today you know as stated under Bagley-Keene we can only really discuss and make decisions on items that are on the agendas so if you have you know ideas about what we want to discuss it you know the meeting in January or in April or etc this needs to be planned out ahead of time that also includes if we were to bring in an outside expert to present or if we were to go to another facility or location again this all needs to be planned in advance so at this time I’m gonna open the floor up to the advisory group members because we recognize that a lot of you and in my discussion to some of you certain dates came up that may or may not have been as convenient so I’d like to open the floor up for some optimal dates or dates we can arrange around and so again just two points before we get into that is again there’s no mandatory day of the week and I would prioritize the next two meetings so that’s January 27th and April 20th because the other ones are in July in October it’s a little further out thanks Could you repeat the last date you said October 19 and just to clarify Nick it was July it was July 20th so I guess I would ask again. This is Lou if there are any other options other than Monday’s Mondays tend to be horrendous days for me if we could look at maybe Tuesdays or Thursdays might be a better option I don’t know how the other folks on the group feel about that Sure thing. Thanks Lou. yeah like I said you know any day of the week is a possibility it just kind of depends on what people’s availability is and certainly we don’t want to inconvenience you too much you know always asking for difficult days I think Terry you had an issue with the January correct I’m out for a couple weeks out of the country and when did you say you’d be back? I think you’re gonna� I return on January 31st or the February the following week would work and Jennifer I think when you and I talked you mentioned that the April date was around Earth Day and that might be more difficult was that correct? Correct I don’t have a plan yet for Earth Day but I usually do. Okay so are any of the other advisory group members who are here today have issues with the first two dates January 27th or April 20th? Do people have so on the on April 20th I’ll be in Asia for for that week so if since I’m headed out this way if we want to make it the week before carry that over I’ll just fly from here to Japan.Thank you George. I’ll also be in Asia during that week okay everyone has more fun travel plans than I do so we have perhaps a suggestion for delaying the Monday January 27th day to perhaps the week after and the April 20th date perhaps the week before is that sound accurate am i hearing that correctly? Pkay I’m gonna take that silence as a yes so okay we will look at other dates that might fit and circulate those around and see what everyone can make and it if we were to say pick Tuesday’s does anyone Tuesday’s particularly bad for anybody depends which one. I have the standing stuff like that typically the second Tuesday of every month. So besides Monday’s are we hearing of any days that are bad for anybody just in general okay great thank you. So I�m going to summarize kind of the meeting
and what we discussed today so we first were all introduced to the members of the advisory group not only to each other but to the public we learned about the goals of the advisory group and the bill that brought it into fruition Salwa gave us an excellent presentation about the Bagley Keene open meeting Act so thank you we went over the roles and expectations for the Advisory Group members as well as for members of the public who may be joining us and listening in. We discussed the bill and learned more about the landscape of battery reuse and recycling. We discussed the contents of the eventual report we also kind of identified key areas in which we would like either further Clarification, direction, or more research to be done as part of our work moving Forward. We fielded questions comments and suggestions from members of the public and I believe that that is what we accomplished today am I missing anything? okay so now I like to ask our group chaire that would be a Caroline Godkin to formally adjourn this meeting so thank you everybody I appreciate everyone coming today and I suspect this will be one of the few times we adjourn early as we have a lot to get to in their coming two years so you know we’ve got a lot of content that we’re going to be working on building in terms of presentations research information and potentially also some site visits for us as we move through our work in the coming years so first up thank you to everybody who came today it is appreciated and certainly appreciate your interest in applying to be on this committee and work going forward thank you to to UC Davis we look forward to working with you thanks also I was remiss in calling out Emily who’s from CalRecycle who’s been taking notes so thank you for that and to Mohammed and Teresa who’s not here today for putting together so with that thank you everybody and the meeting’s adjourned. [Music]

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